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Muslim Prof. Says Islam Calls for Death of Homosexuals

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By Devin Saucier on Wednesday, 27 January 2010
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Professor Awadh A. Binhazim Professor Awadh A. Binhazim
Source: www.vanderbilt.edu/religiouslife/chaplains.html

I have often been puzzled about the unholy alliance between Muslims and leftists – how could the latter, who fervently support multiculturalism, gay marriage, and gender equality, ally with the former, who support religious and cultural supremacy, traditional marriage, and the oppression of women? I have concluded that leftists enter this alliance out of naïveté and ignorance, while Muslims quite sensibly enter it for political and social expediency. Leftists can't accept that a group might purposefully deceive them because, deep down, everybody loves each other…… right?

So when I saw that the Muslim Students Association (MSA) was hosting an event titled "Common Ground: Being Muslim in the Military" which was sponsored by the Project Dialogue committee, I knew it would be ripe grounds for me to expose the gullibility of leftists who grovel at the altars of tolerance and acceptance.

The event went as expected, with Vanderbilt Adjunct Professor Awadh A. Binhazim providing a thirty-minute, flowers-and-butterflies overview of Islam, and Captain Darryl Cox explaining how much intolerance and discrimination he experiences as a Muslim in the military, all the while remaining silent on the subject of the Fort Hood Massacre. His talk left you with the same New York Times taste in your mouth that Major Hasan was motivated not by Islamic laws and the Islamic religion (like this man admits), but because somebody told one-too-many Muslim jokes.

While all of this was true to form, the real action happened during the Q&A, when I asked Professor Binhazim if he accepts the Religion of Peace's stance on the punishment for homosexuality:

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Me: Under Islamic law is it punishable by death if you are a homosexual?

Professor Binhazim: Yes. It is punishable by death.

Shocking, yes?

It shouldn't be.

The death penalty for homosexuality is common dogma throughout the Muslim world, and, as Professor Binhazim reluctantly admitted, it is Islamic law itself, which all Muslims must accept.

"God is very straightforward about this — not we Muslims, not subjective, the Sharia is very clear about it, the punishment for homosexuality, bestiality or anything like that is death. We don’t make any excuses about that, it’s not our law — it’s the Koran."

So spoke Sheikh Khalid Yasin in 2005. Sheikh Yasin is, according to Robert Spencer, "an American-born, England-based Islamic preacher who has been the Muslim Students Association spokesman at universities all over the country, including Penn State, Ohio State, the University of Minnesota, and St. Cloud University."

It is not as if these ideas occur in a void, either. Iranian gay and lesbian human rights group Homan has stated that since 1980, Iran alone has executed some 4,000 homosexuals. Homosexuality is also a capital offense in Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Sudan, and Yemen. Robert Spencer has a comprehensive analysis of Islam's treatment of homosexuals here.

So why are leftists not in outrage over this? Why weren't there dozens of leftists asking the same question and exposing the same radical beliefs? As I said earlier, it is because they are blinded by their naïveté. They are unable to grasp basic, irreconcilable civilizational differences. They assume, without reserve, that all cultures are compatible with our basic senses of justice and propriety and that surely no culture really holds that homosexuals should be put to death. In short, the political correctness of the left is a cult of ignorance.

Case in point: after the event, a rather flustered girl came up to me demanding to know why I asked that question –

Girl: Why would you ask some irrelevant question like that?

Me: I think my question was quite relevant, since there are a number of homosexuals in the military.

Girl: So?

Me: Well let me put it this way. If I was a homosexual in the military, I would want to know if the religion of the person fighting next to me demands my death. That would be significant to me.

Girl: (sarcastically) Well I learned in Sunday school that Christianity condemns homosexuality too!

Me: Yes, Christianity does consider homosexuality sinful, and Christians pray for homosexuals because of it, while Islamic law says they should be punished with death. See the difference?

Girl: Well no one really believes that anymore.

Me: Yes they do. Iran, for instance, has put 4,000 homosexuals to death since 1980.

Girl: I still don't see why you asked the question.

Me: Then you are hopeless.

She was so wrapped up in her liberal sensibilities that she wasn't able to see what happened right in front of her face! I can only hope I planted some seed of awareness in her and the other students attending.

As YWC continues to grow and our activists continue raising awareness of radical Islamic beliefs, hopefully those on both sides of the political spectrum can remove the blinders of political correctness and look at things as they truly are, and not as they imagine them to be.

Devin Saucier

Devin Saucier

Devin is a junior at Vanderbilt University majoring in philosophy and political science.  He is vice president of the national YWC and president of the Vanderbilt chapter.

24 comments

  • Comment Link Brigitte posted by Brigitte Friday, 26 February 2010 06:21

    Btw, the islamic law doesn't command the execution of homosexuals. It's just the radical Muslims that command the execution of homosexuals. The Quran NEVER commanded the deaths of anyone. Since you major in philosophy and political science, shouldn't you have more general knowledge? I am surprised at your ignorance.

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  • Comment Link Dean posted by Dean Monday, 01 February 2010 00:10

    God's law versus Human's law....i would glad if you could do further research about it Devin. it would be a really nice topic!!
    btw, good job.

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  • Comment Link easyguy posted by easyguy Sunday, 31 January 2010 06:20

    Devin, I'm pleased to learn about your group "Youth for Western Civilisation", but I have a problem with your take on homosexuality as an acceptable part of western civilisation, or rather, something western civilisation has accepted to live with. There is actually a huge battle trying there trying to roll back the exploding influence and effects of the homosexual subculture: http://www.protectmarriage.com/video
    I also find your answer to the question you posit: :"Why Muslims and Liberals are buddies of sorts" to be innacurate. I think its because both groups share a hatred for the true Christian culture that still has a remnant in western society. Liberals somewhat see Muslims as the sledgehammer they've always wanted to slam at Christians, but ....here it comes, free and dressed in a turban and ready to battle and roll back this Christianity they hate so much....

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  • Comment Link Matt posted by Matt Saturday, 30 January 2010 12:35

    This might actually turn out to be a good publicity in a way. More eyes will be opened, people will get curious, and try to seek the truth independently by themselves without being influenced by others. Have you ever thought that the more you attack, the more it grows and the stronger it gets? This is something you will never understand until you sincerely seek the truth. May God guide us all

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  • Comment Link Devin Saucier posted by Devin Saucier Saturday, 30 January 2010 10:02

    I have no intention of getting him fired or taking any such action against him. I am a big supporter of the First Amendment which guarantees his right to express his religious views.

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  • Comment Link Susan Gillian posted by Susan Gillian Saturday, 30 January 2010 07:25

    Nice work Devin. Have you made any efforts to get the man fired for being such a homophobic bigot?
    Apparently, he works as an associate professor at:

    Meharry Medical College
    1005 Dr. D.B. Todd Jr. Blvd.
    Nashville, Tennessee 37208
    615.327.6000

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  • Comment Link Duane posted by Duane Friday, 29 January 2010 14:25

    Pointed questions that force people to reveal the reality behind covers like "peaceful religion" are exactly what is needed. I have no respect for religious fanatics but most liberal defenses of Islam are just reactions to the "kill em all" rants. Using the reaction of one college girl to paint all liberals as tolerant of Sharia nonsense is unfair. Most liberals I know are as horrified by the oppression of women and gays by Arab culture as anyone else.

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  • Comment Link Michael posted by Michael Friday, 29 January 2010 13:34

    Great work. Spread the word.

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  • Comment Link Hilmi posted by Hilmi Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:21

    lets not discuss about religion for awhile. lets talk about the drugs example. Why can Amsterdam tolerate this whereas most of the rest of the world not. The rest of the world sees drug as social disease. Is it natural that some people wants to take drug -Yes (because of stresses and all). But does this means that drug should be accepted in the society-no. (at least according to the rest of the world). Ok, back to religion, most religion sees homosexuality as social disease. henceforth, the sin. which will results in punishments in the hereafter unless of course they repent. But in Islam, The punishment is done in this life so that people repent and don't suffer in the hereafter because of their sin (other than to treat social disease). This probably will not make any sense to atheists but that's the idea.

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  • Comment Link Devin Saucier posted by Devin Saucier Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:41

    Christianity is somewhat like Islam in that what comes later (in the New Testament) abrogates what comes earlier (in the Old Testament), although there are those who claim the two Testaments are consistent. With regard to Judaism, see here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Judaism. Also, there are plenty of things we don't put punishments on that we think are wrong - consider lying not under oath. Similarly, Christians and some Jews see homosexuality as sinful, but there is no associated legal punishment.

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  • Comment Link Hilmi posted by Hilmi Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:57

    ::: On a side note, Muslim doesnt tolerate Homosexuals, just as America doesn't tolerate drug dealers unless they repent. On the other hand, Amsterdam has a more liberal stance on this matter. It is only common sense that you put punishments on things that is not right by your definition. So does this means that the rest of the world is radical? because drugs seems to a norm nowadays- whats your take on this? :::

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  • Comment Link Hilmi posted by Hilmi Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:33

    It is true Muslim has to accept all of the teachings. But that what religion is, submission to god. I am not trying to condemn Christianity but, how can Christians modify their testament. isn't it the word of god? I mean, doesn't that mean they decided that God made a mistake in his "speech"........ Also, do you mind commenting on Jew?

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  • Comment Link Devin Saucier posted by Devin Saucier Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:09

    I'm not denying that it is in the Bible. I'm simply saying no sane Christian or Jew today accepts that teaching. Christians see themselves as under the New Testament Law, rather than that of the Old Testament. This law emphasizes redemption and repentance, rather than brutal punishment. On the other hand, Muslims, according to Dr. Binhazim have no choice but to accept all of the teachings.

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  • Comment Link Hilmi posted by Hilmi Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:45

    @devin: The fact that no Christians or Jews you know of accept the text doesn't mean its not in their teaching. Just like the "liberal" girl don't accept it. On a side note: like I previously commented, how can you say you belong to a certain religion when you cant agree with what your god told you to do?

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  • Comment Link Devin Saucier posted by Devin Saucier Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:25

    @Hilmi. From a realist and empiricist perspective, for all intents and purposes it is irrelevant whether Mosaic law calls for the death of homosexuals because no Christian or Jew I know of accepts this teaching. As Dr. Binhazim indicated, though, Muslims are required to embrace all the teachings of Islam. Muslim countries regularly employ harsh punishments for homosexuality, including death. My critique is not of the text, but of the interpretation and degree of acceptance of the text in the Muslim world.

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  • Comment Link Rocco Lore posted by Rocco Lore Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:55

    You know what would have happened if this guy were a Christian.

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  • Comment Link Hilmi posted by Hilmi Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:52

    http://www.insidevandy.com/drupal/node/12499

    Submitted by Devin Saucier on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 09:38.
    Mosaic law versus Sharia law
    No doubt Mosaic law dictates capital punishment as recompense for homosexuality. However, no country in the world today practices Mosaic law, whereas most Muslim majority countries incorporate Sharia law to varying extents.


    Submitted by Atif Choudhury on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 01:48.
    re: Saucier-Binhazim exchange

    A review of some of the finer points of the posted portion of the Q&A session:

    Saucier: The punishment (for homosexuality) under Islam, not under Christianity or Judaism, is capital punishment.

    If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is an abomination; they must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads -Leviticus 20:13

    Comment1:
    ::If you are really against this particular law of death punishment to homosexuals, you should write an article about all religion that have that rule (i.e. christianity + Judaism as well). not just Islam::

    Comment2:
    ::Assuming you are not atheist. "God" told you clearly in his book that "this is how you punish this type of person". But you say, "nono this is not how it should be done." Don't you think that you are denying God's wisdom?

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  • Comment Link philip_daniel posted by philip_daniel Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:54

    Interestingly, while all five mainstream madhaheb [schools of Shari'a] agree that the punishment for homosexuality is death...

    "Narated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : The Prophet said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done."--Sunan Abu Dawud Book 38 Number 4447

    "(And the two persons among you who commit illegal sexual intercourse, punish them both.) Ibn `Abbas and Sa`id bin Jubayr said that this punishment includes cursing, shaming them and beating them with sandals. This was the ruling until Allah abrogated it with flogging or stoning, as we stated. Mujahid said, "It was revealed about the case of two men who do it. As if he was referring to the actions of the people of Lut, and Allah knows best. The collectors of Sunan recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that the Messenger of Allah said,
    (Whoever you catch committing the act of the people of Lut (homosexuality), then kill both parties to the act.)"--Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Quran 4:16

    "Ibn Abbas and Abu Huraira reported God's messenger as saying, 'Accursed is he who does what Lot's people did.' In a version...on the authority of Ibn Abbas it says that Ali [Muhammad's cousin and son-in-law] had two people “burned” and that Abu Bakr [Muhammad's chief companion] had a wall thrown down on them."--Mishkat, vol. 1, p. 765, Prescribed Punishments

    Bestiality IS apparently Halal...

    "Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal."--Sunan Abu Dawud Book 38 Number 4450

    Yikes.

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  • Comment Link Paul Welch posted by Paul Welch Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:57

    @fayrene

    The idea that "The muslim religion is a very peace-loving religion on the whole," as you put it, is invalid. It is well known that Mohammed and the Qur'an state that the highest purpose a Moslem can achieve is Jahidi warfare. The Qur'an commands Moslems to make war on Jews and Christians and Off quoted tolerant, peaceful Qur'anic verses have actually been CANCELED, according to Islamic theology. The Moslems always use the Qu'ran to justify terrorism, and one of the main doctrines of their faith, sadly enough, is to spread Islamic law on non-muslim states, by war if neccessary. Mohammad taught that Moslems were to offer non-muslims 3 choices: conversion, subjugation, or death. And like I have said before, none of these teachings are marginal doctrines or historical relics- they are still taught in mainstream Islam, and a constant element of mainstream Islamic theology.

    The Idea that Islamic is a peaceful religion is just naive Multiculturalism. True, Moslems advocate "peace" but as Sayyid Qutb stated is basically that Islam is a religon of peace that will come when everyone is a Moslem or at least subject to the Islamic state- and to establish that peace, Muslims must wage war.

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  • Comment Link fayrene posted by fayrene Thursday, 28 January 2010 12:23

    I think that Devin is missing an important part of "liberalism" that is often mis-construed. liberals believe that everyone should have a right to believe as they do, and follow their beliefs as well. they might not agree, but they believe that it is their right to have their own beliefs. my personal belief leans more towards the left but I have strong beliefs that fall on the right as well. I do not agree with many of the things your discussing about muslim/islamic religions, I have dificulty with things I see occur in all structured religions (although I am christian) but I will not judge an entire religion or country by a single belief that I do not agree with even if it involves unfair, harmful and sometimes fatal circumstances. The muslim religion is a very peace-loving religion on the whole - protestant religion teaches that many, if not most of humanity will end up in burning, torterous hell for eternity and think that many things (such as homosexuality) refers to nothing but evil/satanic forces and are doomed to eternal torture as well, and should be "banished" from this earth. Many things that religions do bother me horrifically, but many things will never change - never.

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  • Comment Link Rachel, UK posted by Rachel, UK Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:10

    Well done Devin. Yu really made him squirm. That was superb work. It is incredible how shortsighted these liberals are. That girl a the end was obviously made to feel very uncomfortable with what took place and I am sure she will take that away with her. Liberals are so brainwashed that they cannot see things as they are - they honestly don't get it so I don't think they can snap out of it immediately but it is a good sign that you definitely ruffled her feathers.

    Good on you!

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  • Comment Link westy posted by westy Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:50

    oops missed the link. click on my name

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  • Comment Link westy posted by westy Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:48

    What a revelation! This might as well get your attention
    Here

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  • Comment Link Lawrence Auster posted by Lawrence Auster Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:13

    Very interesting story, especially your conversation with the liberal female student. But instead of just answering her questions, which didn't persuade her anyway, I think it would have been better if you had asked her the questions and challenged her position.

    For example,

    "Why do you find it offensive that I asked the professor if Islam commands the execution of homosexual?"

    "Why do you think that this is not a legitimate question to discuss?"

    "Why are you MORE offended by my asking whether Islam commands the execution of homosexuals, than you are by the fact that Islam actually executes homosexuals?"

    "Why are you yourself not concerned that Islam both the execution of homosexuals, and actually executes them? Does it bother you that Iran executes homosexuals? If not, why not?"

    And when you ask questions like this, don't let the person get away with evasive answers. Keep repeating your question, firmly but politely, until you get an answer.

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